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Emails to and from heretic James White

-----Original Message-----
From: James White

To: jonmarcgrizzard@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Greetings from James White

Pastor Grizzard:

I have commented on your upcoming book burning and your unwillingness to discuss your reasoning with me here:

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3588

And may I note, pastor, that it is "Psalm 12:6-7," not "Psalms" (one does not say turn to "hymns 107," right?). Further, there was no English language when Psalm 12 was written; a fair contextual reading of the Psalm tells you the writer is talking about God preserving the afflicted of verse 5, and the words of the LORD refer to that specific promise that He will fulfill; hence your repeated citation of this text does not seem to prove what you think it does. The reality is Psalm 12 has nothing to do with an Anglican translation of the Bible written about two thousand years later.

Instead of burning my book, Pastor Grizzard, I would challenge you to read it, with an open mind, realizing that the author is not some liberal heretic, but a Bible-believing, inerrancy defending Baptist who has defended the faith against a very wide variety of opponents, including atheists, Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and real theological liberals. Think about it.

james

My Response

Mr. White,

I have read your books with an open mind as I do all books. Sorry but I didn't come to the conclusion that you would hope. Sorry to say I don't have any extra books of yours or they would go in the fire. If you have any you would like to donate I will be happy to pay for the shipping.

In Luke 20:42 Jesus said, "And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand," Again in
Luke 24:44 Jesus said, "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Jesus said, "Psalms" not Psalm so that's all the authority I need. I realize since you question God's Word like satan, "Yea, hath God said," this will not satisfy you. You will need some scholar, as others call you, or lexicon to give us the proper reading from the "originals."

As far as Psalms 12:6-7 meaning, your so "scholarly" your ignorant. I know exactly what it means. Common sense tells a person what it means. It is obvious from your books, web site, and your email you don't have any. You mind is so brain wash with the false teachings of liberal colleges, and seminaries, along with past and present day "Higher Criticism" you couldn't get out of a wet paper bag. It's obvious to the Bible believer exactly what these verses are talking about. These two verses are talking about God's Word being preserved from that generation for ever. I realize you are blinded by satan and will dispute this, which is typical of a heretic. So go ahead and lets hear it, so you will prove my point. If you believed the Bible (KJV) you would not be questioning it, adding to it, subtracting from it, correcting it, denying it, and disobeying it. You have a curse on your head given in Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Which again I know you will dispute and argue, because you are a Bible doubter.

God has preserved His Word, even if you disagree. It says it plain and simple, not just here but in other places as well. You are a perverter of God's Word, and a deceiver of it, just like you have been deceived.

There is nothing you could show me, nothing in this world you could say to me, to make me doubt that the King James Version is the preserved, inspired, infallible, inerrant Word of God. I believe every word from cover to cover. I don't care how much Greek, Hebrew, and Latin you know. I care not what degrees hang on your wall. They mean nothing to me. That does not impress me. I care not how many books, papers, or debates you have had. I care not how many colleges and seminaries you have spoken in. That just means they are apostate. I care not about your theological arguments, philosophies, or theories. I care not who endorses you, that just shows that they are an heretic like you. The ONLY thing I need is the King James Bible. It alone is my FINAL AUTHORITY, not man, woman, deacon, scholars, professors, colleges, seminaries, associations, boards, denominations, dictionaries, commentaries, lexicons, or the pope.

I have seen the results of your questioning God's Word at work in the lives of young men who go off to college. They leave believing God's Word, the KJV without a doubt, and then the likes of you, Metzger, Westcott & Hort, Nestles-Aland, and other false teachers like you get them to begin to question God's Word. Which causes these young men to grow up and doubt God's Word. Then they have no final authority in their lives, but themselves. They become their own god, like yourself. You interpret Scripture any old way you chose. With them not knowing what God's Word is any more, they make up their own rules as they go along "serving god." They fall into this trap of New Evangelicalism and break down walls of separation from the world. They believe it's okay to drink as long as one doesn't get drunk. They even go to the bars, and have parties to "win the world." If that's not enough they add some curse words to their vocabulary to relate to the lost in order to "win them." They no longer have church three times a week, but just once. When they do they have this modern praise and worship music that is written by charismatics. They begin to light their candles, and have meditation times at church in place of preaching God's Word. I could go on and on, but you want see the error of your way, because you are to far gone, probably. You will say, "I'm not the cause of all of that." But you are, by simply saying, "Yea, hath God said."

You say, that you are "...a Bible-believing, inerrancy defending Baptist." That's a lie, and you are a liar. You may have the same vocabulary as an old time IFB, but you don't have the same dictionary. You are a wolf among the sheep. You are correct I guess in saying that, but you left out a few words like, liberal, heretic, false teacher, compromiser, and apostate. Yes it's sad to say but I guess you are an modern day Baptist. Why didn't you say the words inspired and preserved, and infallible? Because you are a wolf and not a sheep. You didn't say those words because you don't believe them, and if you say you do, you have different meanings. Why? Because you are a New Evangelical writer as well. This will probally be my last time writing, so I'll give you the last word if you wish.

Pastor Marc

Mr. White's Response

On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:34 PM, jonmarcgrizzard@aol.com wrote:

Mr. White,

I have read your books with an open mind as I do all books. Sorry but I didn't come to the conclusion that you would hope. Sorry to say I don't have any extra books of yours or they would go in the fire. If you have any you would like to donate I will be happy to pay for the shipping.

Yes, that is surely an open-minded attitude on the part of someone who cannot begin to respond to the documentation provided therein, pastor Grizzard. I would ask you to explain your dedication to an Anglican translation of the Bible based upon a Greek text formed by a Roman Catholic priest, but I know why you hold to it. Human traditions, going back through Ruckman and Ray to a Seventh Day Adventist who first put forward KJV Onlyism less than 100 years ago. Thankfully, many people have proven to be more open minded, and have come to understand the real history of the Bible and why we can trust it.

In Luke 20:42 Jesus said, "And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand," Again in
Luke 24:44 Jesus said, "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." Jesus said, "Psalms" not Psalm so that's all the authority I need.

Truly, sir, you amaze me. Yes, we refer to a book of "hymns," so you would refer to the book of Psalms. But you would never refer to a single hymn as "Hymns 107," would you? It is simply English grammar to recognize it is Psalm 12, not Psalms 12, but if you cannot see that level of simple factuality, well, that would explain your KJV Onlyism.

I realize since you question God's Word like satan, "Yea, hath God said," this will not satisfy you. You will need some scholar, as others call you, or lexicon to give us the proper reading from the "originals."

No sir, I just speak and read English properly.

As far as Psalms 12:6-7 meaning, your so "scholarly" your ignorant. I know exactly what it means. Common sense tells a person what it means. It is obvious from your books, web site, and your email you don't have any. You mind is so brain wash with the false teachings of liberal colleges, and seminaries, along with past and present day "Higher Criticism" you couldn't get out of a wet paper bag. It's obvious to the Bible believer exactly what these verses are talking about. These two verses are talking about God's Word being preserved from that generation for ever. I realize you are blinded by satan and will dispute this, which is typical of a heretic.

Well, I see why you won't call the radio program tomorrow. All you have is irrational insults, nothing more. Common for KJV Onlyists, but I had hoped for at least a heart with some spiritual sense. I'm sorry I didn't find it.

When all you can say is "its common sense" that's a good indication you can't back up your position. The fact is that the text has nothing to do with a 17th century Anglican translation, and any rational person can see that. But, obviously, you are not rational, so I will not invest further time in attempting to reason with you. (I added this, Pastor Marc. Billy Sunday said, ""Religion needs a baptism of horse sense.")

So go ahead and lets hear it, so you will prove my point. If you believed the Bible (KJV) you would not be questioning it, adding to it, subtracting from it, correcting it, denying it, and disobeying it. You have a curse on your head given in Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Which again I know you will dispute and argue, because you are a Bible doubter.

No, I'm a Bible believer, not a Bible abuser like you are. I refuse to read my arrogance and ignorance into God's Holy Word as you do. You are an untaught and unstable man, and the Word warns us about men like you who mishandle the Word of God. You think your ignorance is a sign of godliness, and it is only a sign of a man who has taken to himself an office to which he was not called. Revelation 22 is about...the book of Revelation, not a 17th century Anglican translation. And since the KJV actually lacks some important textual readings in that book, if you were consistent (and that you surely are not) you would condemn yourself. But it is a gross abuse of that text to apply it as you are anyway, and you will answer for so doing.

God has preserved His Word, even if you disagree. It says it plain and simple, not just here but in other places as well. You are a perverter of God's Word, and a deceiver of it, just like you have been deceived.

Yes, God has preserved His Word---but not in a 17th century Anglican translation. Your position is not only irrational and a-historical, it is simply dishonest. Your beliefs cannot stand up to the attacks of the enemy, and anyone going out into the world armed only with your circular arguments will be easily defeated. You are actually the enemy of the truth of the Bible, because you pervert it into an English translation, and leave believers defenseless in the face of the enemy.

There is nothing you could show me, nothing in this world you could say to me, to make me doubt that the King James Version is the preserved, inspired, infallible, inerrant Word of God.

Oh, I can see that. You are completely beyond all reason, which is why you are making the Christian faith a laughing stock by your outrageous activities. You lack the spiritual maturity needed on the part of Christian leaders, and your irrationality is terribly damaging to those unfortunate enough to follow you.

I believe every word from cover to cover. I don't care how much Greek, Hebrew, and Latin you know. I care not what degrees hang on your wall. They mean nothing to me. That does not impress me. I care not how many books, papers, or debates you have had. I care not how many colleges and seminaries you have spoken in. That just means they are apostate. I care not about your theological arguments, philosophies, or theories. I care not who endorses you, that just shows that they are an heretic like you. The ONLY thing I need is the King James Bible. It alone is my FINAL AUTHORITY, not man, woman, deacon, scholars, professors, colleges, seminaries, associations, boards, denominations, dictionaries, commentaries, lexicons, or the pope.

Yes, yes, I have heard it all before. In other words, "I am as blind as a bat and happy to stay that way." I have no interest in responding to the rest of your wild-eyed fanaticism and personal ad-hominem. I took the chance that maybe you were just a misguided believer, but I see you are as firmly planted in the KJV Only cult as Ruckman himself. Thankfully, your tribe is diminishing quickly, and someday will vanish completely.

james

Mr. James Responds Again

-----Original Message-----
From: James White

To: jonmarcgrizzard@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 12:04 am
Subject: Re: Greetings from James White

On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:34 PM, jonmarcgrizzard@aol.com wrote:

Jesus said, "Psalms" not Psalm so that's all the authority I need.

One other thing, sir: your hard-headedness has made you ignore the KJV's own correction of your inability to speak and write the English language. Did you miss the KJV's introduction to Psalm 12?

Psalm 12:1 <To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David.> Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. (Psa 12:1 KJV)

A PSALM, singular, of David. Not a PSALMS of David. And why didn't you note how the New Testament refers to singular Psalms using the singular form:

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. (Act 13:33 KJV)

The "second psalm" not the "second psalms".

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Act 13:35 KJV)

"another psalm" not "another psalms"

1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. (1Co 14:26 KJV)

"a psalm" not "a psalms" and so forth.

When referring to the collection, they are the Psalms. The Book of Psalms. But when you are referring to a single psalm, or a specific psalm, it is singular.

If you can't accept that level of correction, then you are a most unwise and foolish man.

james

My Response

Mr. White,

Your straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. I know what you are talking about, and I agree with the singular and plural. I have no problem with that. We are talking about nothing, a mistake I made just like the one you made in capitalizing your name. A person's name should begin with a capital letter not lower case. But I understand you made an mistake. You wrote me to point out the letter "s" that I made an mistake in writing. You made just as big of mistake in writing your own name. But I forgive you. Please forgive me.

Pastor Marc

After a few days now I received an email from someone. Please enjoy! God sure is good!

Contact Us
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Name: James White is a hypocrite
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Comments: I got a kick out of James White's peevish obsession with Psalms/Psalm.
I guess he does not read his own website, as there is an article there by the
vice president of his ministry who cites "Psalms 33:6,9".
Check it out.
link:
http://vintage.aomin.org/jsmith.html

The mistake taken from Mr. White's web site.

"In defense of the traditional view (that bere�shith is in the absolute), it can be said that re�shith, along with several other adverbials, does occur in the absolute without an article (e.g., Isa. 46:10; cf. Konig, Syntax, par. 294g). Thus the argument that the article must be with bere�shith for it to be absolute does not hold in every case."[40] One reason for taking bere�shith in the absolute is that such would agree with the Septuagint which also translates the phrase jEn ajrch/' ("In the beginning . . .") in the absolute. Moreover, "In the beginning God . . ." affirms unequivocally the truth laid down throughout the whole of Scripture (e.g., John 1:1-3; Romans 4:17, Colossians 1:15-17; Hebrews 1:2, 11:3; Psalms 33: 6,9; Amos 4:13; Isaiah 44:24 etc.)[41] that until God spoke, nothing existed.[42] The idea that God used preexisting material to form the universe not only denies absolute creation but is entirely contrary to Biblical teaching.

My Response

From: jonmarcgrizzard@aol.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: Greetings from James White

Hello Mr. White,

Someone sent this to me, thought you might want to look at it.

You may want to check the spelling and grammar on your web site.

Goes to show you are human too maybe?

Have a great day. Pastor Marc